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Throne of Lies Interactions: Q&A


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Summary: This topic is meant to provide answers to those who wish to understand how some of the lesser-known interactions work in Throne of Lies. Hopefully, it should serve as a reference and I will try to constantly update it to keep up with the patchnotes.

Greetings. After looking through our Discord server, I’ve realized that there are a lot of questions which have been answered before, but are still being asked to this day because the answers have been buried by other messages.
In this topic, I’ve tried to create a more or less complete list of these questions and their answers, so that the players can have easier access to this information and don’t need to ask for these interactions twice.

The following list has been written after reviewing pinned posts in #ask-a-guide and discussions in #general-tol, as well as some of the topics on the forums.
The list itself is not complete, so I encourage you to ask about anything in this thread as well, so that it can be expanded and improved.

Let us begin.

[General questions]

Q: What is the order of Night actions?
A: 1. Occupation, Redirection, Guard;
2. Attacks;
3. Healing;
4. Investigative abilities;
5. Conversion.

Q: If a Drunk or Invoker redirects an investigative class to the King, will they see the King’s faction?
A: No. Paladins, Sheriffs, Inquisitors and Observers who use Peek will see the following message: “[1] is the King.”

Q: Can you suicide in jail?
A: Yes, you can.

Q: If you Mindwarp a Princess that uses Wisp or Frame her target, will she get the message that her target attacked someone?
A: No, Mindwarp and Frame do not affect Wisp.

Q: If you are reaped as a Fool, then voted up and executed in court the next day, will you still win?
A: Yes.

[Classes]

Butler

Q: If you poison a Good King then get converted the same night, do you still commit suicide?
A: No, you will stay alive.

Q: Will Butler poison kill the Psycho King?
A: Yes, it will kill him unless he is healed (like with all other Kings).

Q: What about Butler poisoning a Possessor who has jumped into the King?
A: Same as the above - the Possessor will die unless they jump into another body or are healed.

Chronomancer

Q: Does Chronomancer count as a “healer” class?
A: Yes, it does. Since each game has at least one healer, the probability of Chronomancer spawning together with Physician will be higher.

Q: Can Pocket Dimension ability be healed?
A: Yes, it can.

Q: Can Reap be delayed?
A: No, Chronomancer can’t delay unhealable attacks.

Q: What happens if Physician heals someone and Chronomancer uses Time Warp on same person same night?
A: Healing has priority over Time Warp, so TW won’t have any effect.

Q: How does Distort Reality works?
A: If you have successfully delayed an attack with Time Warp, you will be able to swap this attack to someone else with Distort Reality.

Q: Can you delay an attack that already has been delayed?
A: Yes, you can delay the same attack multiple times.

Q: Is it true that as a King you can Guard against a death redirected to you with Distort Reality?
A: Yes, Distort will not bypass the Guards - or Death Immunity in general.

Q: What happens if Timesnatcher uses Timesnatch on someone who gets Time Warped the same night?
A: Chronomancer’s Time Warp will delay Timesnatch as if it was a regular death.

Q: Will Distort Reality go through the Sellsword’s Stonewall?
A: No. Distort Reality is not an attack, so you will still be occupied if you try to Distort a death onto someone who is Stonewalled by a Sellsword.

Court Wizard

Q: What happens if two Court Wizards Tornado the same person?
A: Court Wizard higher on the player list will get priority and swap the target first. Second Court Wizard will get redirected. As an example:
The two Court Wizards are [5] and [15]. [5] decides to swap [2] and [10] tonight, [15] decides to swap [2] and [12]. The result will be:
For [5]: Swap [2] < > [10] – Success.
For [15]: Swap [2] < > [12] – Redirected from [2] to [10] – Swap [10] < > [12].

Q: If a Court Wizard Empowers a Killer class, does that make their attacks pierce Death Immunity?
A: No, it simply makes their attacks unhealable.

Q: What does “aided” mean when you target someone with Empower?
A: It means that essentially one of the following things has happened:

-Your target is a Social class and someone tried to convert them. (Remember that Empower protects from conversion attempts, even if Mastermind or Cult Leader tries to convert a Scorned, it will say that your Empower aided them);
-Your target is a Killer class and they have attacked someone. It doesn’t mean there was an attempt to heal their target, it simply means that they have attacked;
-Your target is an Investigative class, and someone tried to Mindwarp them or they tried investigating a Framed target/Cult member targeted by Brotherhood/Unseen member hidden by Dark Dimension/Dark Wisp;
-Your target is a Support class and either tried to visit a Jailed target, or someone tried to Occupy or Redirect them;
-Your target is an Offensive class and someone tried to kill them last night, but your Empower granted them Death Immunity.

Cult Leader

Q: Can a Cult Leader sacrifice a jailed target?
A: No, Sacrifice does not work in jail.

Q: Can you heal a Cult Leader that tries to convert a Smited target?
A: No, Smite does not count as an attack - it cannot be healed and bypasses death immunity.

Drunk

Q: What happens if the same person is Occupied and Debauched the same night?
A: They will be occupied, and show up as Redirection/Occupy Immune to the Drunk (since you cannot change target of the occupied person).

Q: What happens if Drunk tries to Debauch a Physician who uses Self-Care?
A: The Drunk will get a message that his target is Redirection Immune since Self-Care is a non-targeted ability and cannot be redirected. The same thing will happen if Drunk tries to Deb a Mystic, a Hunter who uses a Bear or Noble who uses Maid Spy.

Enforcer

Q: Can Enforer’s Frenzy kill a jailed target? What about someone guarded by a Mercenary?
A: Yes, in both cases. Frenzy will guarantee the kill on Assassin’s target no matter what.

Q: So if Frenzy goes through everything, it will also kill the Reaper?
A: No, the situation with Reaper is a different one. The Reaper does not “heal” himself like a Physician does, he uses his souls to resurrect himself at the end of the night. So if he has at least one soul left, he will survive the attack.

Q: How does Enforcer’s Protection work?
A: Essentially, it is same as Mercenary Guard - it will occupy all and any visits to the guarded Unseen member.

Inquisitor

Q: If you have successfully killed all 3 Heathens, can you still step up to become a Neutral King as Inquisitor?
A: No, you will not get an option to step up if you have already achieved your objective.

Q: Will you automatically lose the game if Neutral Killer and all of the Cult/Unseen members are dead, but there are still Heathens remaining?
A: No. As long as you have at least one charge of Ruthless Efficiency and at least one Heathen alive, the game will keep going to allow you to achieve your win condition.

Q: What happens if a Possessor jumps into one of your Heathens? Do you just get a free kill?
A: No. If your Heathen is jumped by a Possessor, you will still need to see them executed. If you try to interrogate them, the result will say:
“[X] is a Heathen!
They are a Possessor.”

King

Q: What if Scorned Frames someone the same night Evil King uses Allies on them? Will they show up as an ally?
A: No, Evil King’s Allies are not affected by Frame. Good King will see Framed results, however.

Maid’s Interactions Sheet

Evil = Either Cult or Unseen.

Exceptions:
Fool/Scorned + Anyone = Incompatible;
Royal Blood + Royal Blood = Incompatible;
Inquisitor + Heathen = Incompatible;

General results:
BD + BD = Compatible;
BD + Evil = Incompatible;
BD + Alchemist/Mercenary/Inquisitor/Pretender = Compatible;
Evil + Evil = Compatible;
Evil + Alchemist/Mercenary/Inquisitor/Sellsword/Pretender = Compatible;
NK + Alchemist/Mercenary/Inquisitor/Sellsword/Pretender = Compatible;
NK + BD/Evil = Incompatible;

Interactions with Frame (Court Wizard’s Empower on Investigative class will ignore these):
Framed + BD = Incompatible;
Framed + Evil/Alchemist/Mercenary/Inquisitor/Sellsword/Pretender = Compatible.

Mercenary

Q: What happens when a Mercenary and a Sellsword try to guard the same target?
A: Both will be able to guard their target, however only those trying to attack or convert the target would be able to visit. The Mercenary will only get bridlers from those visitors.

Q: How can you stop Shielding someone as a Mercenary?
A: Shielding yourself will cancel your active Shield.

Q: How does Shield work? Do you need to use Shield on the same person each night or will it simply stay on the targer?
A: Shield acts like Sheriff’s scout, meaning it will stay on your target unless it is cancelled, swapped to someone else, or triggered by an attack.

Noble

Q: If you Gossip someone who is healed multiple times, will you see them as being healed once?
A: No, you will see the feedback twice (or as many times as they were healed).

Q: Can Gossip see King’s Allies?
A: No, you cannot see Allies with Gossip.

Observer

Q: If an Observer follows someone who tries to visit a jailed target and gets prevented, will they still see that attempt as a visit?
A: Yes, they will.

Q: What happens if you get Mindwarped or follow a Framed target as an Observer? How will it affect Follow?
A: You will see your target visiting the same person who dies the same night (if possible). If no one died that night, you will see no visits/visitors to your target.

Physician

Q: What causes the message “You could not heal [X]”?
A: Enforcer’s Frenzy, Knight’s Guard and suicide via Cold Steel, Reap, Inquisitor’s Ruthless Efficiency and target being attacked by a Killer class who was Empowered by a Court Wizard.

Q: Possessor’s class card says that his jumps cannot be healed. Will the Physician see “You could not heal [X]” message on them as well?
A: No, you will still see DNR if you try to heal a jump target.

Q: Will Exhume notify you which Neutral Killer has killed your target? Or will it simply say that they were killed by a NK?
A: The feedback will specify if they were killed by a Possessor, Reaper or Sorcerer.

Q: Will Exhume give different notifications if the player’s body was Possessed or if they were simply killed by a Possessor?
A: No, the feedback will be same in both cases.

Possessor

Q: If Possessor jumps into a member of the Cult/Unseen and is checked by a Paladin or Sheriff the same night, will they come up as NS?
A: The Possessor will come up as Cult/Unseen to the investigative classes due to the night action priority. However, if they are investigated again the next night, they will appear NS.

Q: Do Puppet Strings count as an attack if the Princess Wisps you?
A: No, Puppet Strings will not trigger the Wisp.

Reaper

Q: If you redirect the Reaper to himself, will he reap his own soul? What if he uses Gather Darkness?
A: No, in both cases. If the Reaper is swapped to himself he will simply see the following message: “You cannot reap yourself.”

Q: What happens if the Reaper empower reaps a target guarded by the Knight?
A: The guarding Knight will get reaped.

Q: If the Reaper is attacked twice in one night, will he lose two souls or just one?
A: He will always lose one, no matter how many times he was attacked in the same night.

Q: If an Alchemist uses Stoneskin, then heals a target Circled by the Reaper, will they die?
A: No, the Alchemist will survive.

Sheriff

Q: If a target Framed by Scorned visits someone who is Scouted by a Sheriff, will the Sheriff be alerted?
A: No, the Scout will not alert the Sheriff.

Q: What happens if the Scorned frames a target that is Surveilled by a Sheriff? What about Fool framing himself?
A: Surveillance will show the framed target as an Assassin in both cases.

Q: Can you find a Mastermind before N4 if you use Surveillance?
A: No, Surveillance will not bypass Mastermind’s passive.

Q: What happens if Unseen try to visit someone who is Scouted by a Sheriff and jailed that night? Will your Scout still be alerted?
A: Yes, the Sheriff will still get notification.

Sorcerer

Q: What happens if a Sorcerer Detonates walking bomb in you while you are shielded by a Mercenary? Will you survive?
A: Yes, you will.

Q: Can you die while jailed if Sorcerer Detonates a bomb in you the same night?
A: Yes, Jail does not negate the effects of Detonate.

Q: How does Empower work with Detonate? Will it make the bombs unhealable?
A: No. Detonate itself does not count as an attack, therefore it will not be affected by Empower.


Beginner's Evil Claiming Guide [Community Run] 2.1.1
#2

I’ll take “things that should be on the wiki but I’m too lazy to do” for $400, Alex :eyes:


#3

Wait, did they seriously change Tornado to bypass the King’s occupation immunity? I really want to roll a Ritualist now.


#4

Yup :wink:


#5

Is it possible to change this to a prevented message? This is a fairly obscure interaction that I’m sure most of the playerbase is unaware of, and may lead to BD accidentally turning against BD due to a misunderstanding of these mechanics.


#6

Some of these I would contest. In particular:

The target being occupied is a listed reason for a debauchery to fail. In otherwords there is no contradiction for the player list to solve. Meaning that the Drunk would ALWAYS be told the target was immune.

You can also guard the Mastermind

I wouldn’t be so sure this answer actually holds up. More on that in a second.

You would get “could not heal” regardless of another attack. I’ve personally tested this one.

Ah but the Possessor doesn’t visit the Butler. So does party work on non-visiting Ability’s or not? The person being controlled should be occupied by this. Also what about Sorcerer?


#7

This is referring to the Sorc’s Circle of Death, right?


#8

This is true, Reap prevents healing on its own.


#9

The target being occupied is a listed reason for a debauchery to fail. In otherwords there is no contradiction for the player list to solve. Meaning that the Drunk would ALWAYS be told the target was immune.

Noted.

You can also guard the Mastermind

Will be corrected. I initially wrote “Assassin” because there’s little reason to usually guard the Mastermind.

You would get “could not heal” regardless of another attack. I’ve personally tested this one.

When was the last time this was tested? Because I recall getting DNR on a Reaped target. It will be fixed but if you have any screenshots or videos - I wouldn’t mind seeing them.

Ah but the Possessor doesn’t visit the Butler

This has been tested however and I might be able to find the link if you are interested. Possessor getting occupied by the Party might not be intended, yet it works in such way right now. It could be specifics of Puppet Strings ability.

Wolf will go through the Party though.

Also what about Sorcerer?

Should be occupied if she tries to attack Partying Butler.


#10

Correct, this has been clarified.


#11

probably worth including here that I’m pretty sure king keeps passives?
right?
like alchemist neut king is immune to poison


#12

Okay, finally added all of them to the wiki :sweat_smile:


#13

Wrong


#14

Even if she uses magic cloak?


#15

So you got the $400?


#16

Why not? It should. There’s no reason for mind warp to not affect will-o-wisp, other than princess being weak, but mind warp also affects flirt.

I have a question about enforcer. When frenzy is used and the assassin uses 2-for-1, it has no effect. Is this intended or a bug? If it’s intended then it shouldn’t be.

This doesn’t make sense. It’s the possessor’s target that visits the target, not the possessor. And party affects visitors, not targeters.


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#18

It also implies that directly occupying the Possessors target will stop his kill. Especially if it is with happy hour


#19

Can I kill the killer if I get delayed as hunter and bear the night I die?

Nope, it will only tell you you are immune.

Source: firsthand.