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[Suggestion] Noble/Aristocrat/Apostle Rework


#61

Would be wise to give them, because that is the immediate red flag ability in your suggestion.


#62

I agree that the current Noble Twin needs changes, but doesn’t this make the self-confirmation even worse since it’s permanent now? I would be fine with it if it didn’t notify the court unless the vote makes a difference though.

Why does Noble need this? It doesn’t fit on a BD class. And what’s wrong with the current gossip?

Change the name. Cult pressure is boring and uncreative.

What’s wrong with Mind Warp? Plus this will make players less likely to speak in a Conduit, which isn’t needed.

Why did you change the names? They were fine.

Everything else is good.

Here’s a few other alternatives:

  • Make dark words a passive private matter

  • Change Dark Words so it gives the cult a day chat

It would be worth it though.


#63

Have you heard of the word called fps. It means fancy play syndrome.

Get someone to whisper an alch they are assassin and see what happens. Get an assassin to whisper their MM and for the MM to whisper back confirming your suspicions on the scumteam.

Claiming Something that isn’t noble, like physician and getting someone to “confirm” your heal.


#64

Dammit a better one would be to get a scum whisper hearer to try to convert an unconvertible prince by making the prince whisper to you that they are a princess or something


#65

Well then, considering how much you love fool, it’s perfect for you.


#66

this would be better for fool/scorned instead of noble imo


#67

Also Ici, this will probably be abused similarly to TB
Maybe make noble gossip a one shot PM that can’t be copy pasted? Then blanket making privatised whispers uncopypastaable?


#68

In actual ToL with the limited daytime and actual player population, I can only envision this ability to be a net negative to BD to be honest. It’s fine on a scum class.


#69

How to test if someone is apostle or noble: ask them to type cult:


#70

Type Cult: Cult:

Never mind, I’m an idiot. :roll_eyes:


#71

The Noble

Blue Dragon Social

Influence (Passive) - Your vote secretly counts as two for trials and king elections. This passive carries over if your class changes or if you’re possessed.

Royal Blood (Passive) - All votes on you count as double in King elections.

Poltiical Pressure (Day) - Same as current. - 3 uses.

Gossip (Night) - Same as current. - Infinite uses

Espionage (Night) - View all whispers tommorow - 2 uses.

You win when all threats to the Blue Dragon have been eliminated

The Aristocrat

Unseen Social

Influence (Passive) - Your vote secretly counts as two for trials and King elections. This passive carries over if your class changes or if you’re possessed.

Royal Blood (Passive) - All votes on you count as double in King elections

Poltiical Pressure (Day) - Same as current. - 3 uses.

Intruige (Night) - Same as current. - Infinite uses

Espionage (Night) - View all whispers tomorrow - 2 uses.

You win when all threats to the Blue Dragon have been eliminated

The Apostle

Cult Social

Otherworldly Influence (Passive) - Your vote secretly counts as two for trials and king elections. This passive carries over if your class changes or if you’re possessed. [Starting Apostle only]

Dark Words (Passive) - You may whisper all members of the cult undetectably with “/w Cult [message]”.

Coraxian Catspaw (Day) - Force a player to vote another player. - 3 uses.

Telepathy (Day) - Same as current - 2 uses.

Occult Espionage (Night) - View all whispers tommorow - 2 uses

Mind Warp (Night) - Same as current - 3 uses.
You win when all who oppose the Cult and its’ Gods have been eliminated.

RIP new Gossip, I promise to make you a thing on some other class some day


#72

Notes on Influence passive:

  • It is only revealed if it changed the result of a trial if it does
  • For royal elections, it does stack with Royal Blood. If that seems too overpowered, I can rephrase it so Noble voting Royal is only ever 3 votes instead of 4 votes as it is curretly. I await your feedback onthis point particularly

Obviously, this version is now very simmilar to the old version, but I think this new version will make people reconsider whether Noble “is terrible” or not

btw now Poss can basically fake Noble flawlessly so there’s that


#73

I’m considering bringing back Infinite Single-target Spy but I feel like that goes against the point of making an impactful but non-confirmable Noble


#74

Like yeah it makes it so that Noble can be 100% flawlessly faked by Poss, but I feel that would lead to a lot of Noble claims being killed instantly with “ez Poss, exe”


#75

:frowning:


#76

As long as Noble can read everyone’s whispers (as opposed to those of just a single target), there is literally no point trying to make Noble less confirmable.

Except for the silly problem of public system messages for Noble Twin.


#77

I propose making it impossible to Copy-Paste whispers
the time has come


#78

well then they would just type out all or part of one anyways


#79

Ici did you see my suggestion that private whispers such as Mystic PM be uncopypastable?


#80

The new changes don’t assist in the started goal at all - also what did you want the Noble to be consistent at? Influencing trials? Verifying claims? Proving themselves?

Or was the goal to just remove Noble twin?